My results were exactly what you described in the videoshoulders tilting in the wrong direction and a bad outside-in swing. Watching the Stadler video convinces me to go back to my natural, upright motion. Practice 1-handed forearm rotations with left hand holding the club, then immediately step up and play a shot it might actually hook. Maybe that would help me not strike the ball behind me???? The best bet is to maintain the natural slight S-curve of the spine that you have when standing looking straight ahead and then bow from hips. Good read to get some insight. But it should be said that I spend a lot of time each day stretching. Your knees should just crease slightly, no sitting or excessive bending. My right shoulder sets up below the left, but my right hip is tends to get higher than the left resulting in either a vertical or reversed spine tilt. Please note that l am hitting the ball straight with perhaps the merest hint of a draw. When I considered that, I thought - maybe she's right! I think you need a copy of the "LAWS of the Golf Swing" by Mike Adams, Jim Suttie & T.J. Tomasi. I'm flexible: can do the seated toe touch, and can turn my shoulders 90 degrees from my waist. Good question. Great observation, Jim, and thanks for paying such close attention. Body Turn in Golf Swing - The Golf Fix. Just found your website Saturday while watching Billy Hurley 111 get into position to win(and he did on Sunday) at the tour event in D.C. , looking for a blog on left arm on top or to the side,and was amazed that Hurley followed your set-up routine almost to the letter! Look at my release article and video and go for a neutral grip and really train hard at getting your right forearm and hand to turn down and over through impact. Again thanks for your rapid response. If you have any suggestions to help my setup, particularly the hip issue, Id appreciate it. I haven't asked for a refund yet since it isn't really Dans fault. 1) If ball is too far forward, club path will already be coming back to the left and cutting across so ball will have cut spin on it. 3 Reasons You're Still Chunking Golf Shots with Your Irons When things are going really bad, I sometimes set up with my left hand in the two-knuckle position with the face open to get my swing back on plane. Just making sure. It really help me a lot on correcting my weak, slicing shots for a long time. When I was about 18, I had a wrist operation that afterwards made my wrist sore if I used my normal two-knuckle grip. Thanks for the suggestions, so far. Your email address will not be published. Yes right arm must fall close to body on downswing. Golf Setup Lesson - Foundation for a Golf Swing - Herman Williams Golf Fred. Your body will feel stuck and your hands will whip over quickly, My swing continues to improve with using your videos to guide me. I've been doing the limber 11 for the past few days, and will be starting an exercise/stretching routine at Fore Performance (a golf/fitness place near me) this coming Monday after a TPI assessment. Glad to add you to the list of those getting Hermanized. Stay in touch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaCMiAslT_k, Turn the mass It looks like the guys on tour and even your sit up you almost let the club drop or even point your wrist down. I dont think you are doing anything wrong. If you are hitting it straight and getting a divot past the ball, keep going like you are. I have always wondered what it feels like to swing for a guy that is very flexible and thinner? r/golf - So I'm a big barrel chested guy, and almost every video I You cannot paste images directly. If you have the time, I would appreciate your thoughts on these two setup positions with the left arm and what each one promotes. Like this? Plenty of Youtube vids of both to check out. Here's how I recommend you getting the feel of this all-important connection: Put a credit card or golf glove under the left arm at set up. With this grip I swing in-out and hit nice draws but occasional hooks.maybe a hosel here and there. Herman, Herman when I set up like you describe I too press my left hip a little. Their strength is not enough to overcome the shorter ROM and general stiffness. Promise. I've been playing golf about 15 years and have been as low as an 8 handicap, but currently rest at 13. Consequently, my backswing is very short. There are a few reasons this might be happening. Extend rear leg on the BS and shift to right leg. Dare I say a more stack-n-tilt backswing has help me tremendously, but I won't get into those specific "labels" here. Could expectation management be key to lowering your scores? MASSIVE CHEST ROTATION GOLF SWING! - YouTube I've lifted weights on and off my entire life, and have a barrel chest with large arms (luckily, I have only a 32" waist, so I'm not fat). Duly noted well use bottom or tail for those down under thanks. Swing tips for senior golfers: As natural as throwing a ball If the lead arm is sitting on the side of the body, the chest is in the way of starting a proper takeaway and backswing. Next, attach the right hand to the club. [/quote] Thick Chest - Instruction & Academy - GolfWRX The target is going to be 225lb again. I was having problems with a seriously closed clubface in my backswing and at the top. I wish I lived in NC so I could come take some lessons from you! I had never heard of this setup before and found it promoted a steeper plan for me which is good as I tend to get a little laid off and stuck. Thanks a mill. Swing suggestions for my unusual body type . Told Mrs. DGA3 about my post, and she teased me, saying, "They're going to think you are bragging about yourself!". Herman, that's pretty big. I'm looking for suggestions or thoughts about what an effective swing would be for this type of body. I have been struggling greatly with my game over the last few years. Also upright is super comfortable for me because I have more room but it's not nearly as consistent and I tend to hit a lot more bad shots with hard to control distance because I'm so steep, Titleist TSR3 8* / Fuji Ventus Black TR 6X, Callaway Big Bertha Alpha 18* / Veylix Rome 988X, Edel SMS iron 4-5 / DG TI X100 ///// SMS PRO irons 6-PW / DG TI X100. So key for me is shoulder first then arms while keeping width which again is hard for me. Using the same techniques with the driver and I am slicing the ball. The modern swing teaches keeping both feet on the ground which twists the spine. Herman. Randy, thanks for watching the videos and finding my site to leave a comment. As far as the left arm I remember hearing "either go over or under". That's about what a skinny person's natural swing will be. The clubhead has so far to travel (up to 16 feet from top of arc to impact) it is too easy for hips to outrun the clubhead and leave it open like a baseball batter late on a pitch. The beauty of this exercise is that you can easily throw a ball in the garden so next time you have a spare five minutes go outside pick up a ball and throw it. 2. [/quote] One question: when you stated should feel like your right arm scrapes your left hip coming down.you did mean right arm and not left correct? Dear Herman, the more I follow and implement your advice, the better I strike the ball! HighDraw, I am the other way around, played at 240 and now weigh 275 lol. Wishon 5, 6 560 MC 7-PW MMC MB Keep your hands in front of the chest, Mizuno ST190G atmos 6s He's the model swing I strive for. Bow forward more at the hips if necessary. I posted some of this in another thread recently but i'll link you some of these video's of great warm up routines that should improve your mobility. Thanks for the great video. Are their set up or swing adjustments to make when thick chested? Been lucky to have played most of this winter. The left arm technique is huge. . I don't care what guys say, [b]the way they describe the pivot, with right side extension and left side tilting was brilliant for me. This is no small detail. Herman. Rock Flying Wings Golf Swing for Barrel Chested Guys like Howard Your link has been automatically embedded. I will report back What I now realize is that turning my left arm to the two-knuckle grip position naturally gets my left arm on top of the pec and helps tuck the right should in as well, freeing up my back-swing. Oh great, now Im even more confused. [/list]. (UK). [/quote] Imagine setting up for a 7-iron and then moving the golf ball 1 ball-width forward from there. Thanks for the comments, Mike. I just never made the connection. Fortunately, it's also the easiest to fix. Among Boomer's timeless lessons was . I actually hit the ball farther when I weigh about 225lb., which has been a while. 1. Paste as plain text instead, That sucks. Clear editor. I have just started learning from your video 3 days ago and doing really well with the irons using your grip (was using interlocking) immediately went from slicing the ball to a straight ball flight with added distance 20yards. 1 swing feeling that will instantly improve your backswing - Golf Swing the golf club more around your body This weeks swing analysis shows how by swinging the golf club more around your body will help hit the golf ball more out of the centre of the. Noticed a few things creeping in that I wanted to get my setup a little more structured. Well last week i decided to try it since using your move of bringing the club down in slot before clearing and keeping trunk turned away at same time. One setup issue a I struggle with is spine tilt. If you cant seem to get the club comfortably down to the ground, have a professional check the length and lie angle of the clubs. Recently came across your blog / videos. I am taller and thinner than you, but I spent a lot of time swinging the way it sounds you do, Not before I got in front of a mirror after reading many posts on the subject here did I realize that I had no "up" to my swing. Boy, that really seems to free me up, am I headed for a wreck? Try playing it back to improve the path, although now the face will need to release quickly to make it in time. 2) As you said, simply learn to rotate forearms faster/sooner this is usually the #1 problem. I was fighting a slice and always felt I had a flaw somewhere that had to be addressed. One advantage is normally you can generate quite a bit of power with a short swing. Intro Rotating Your Chest PROPERLY In A Golf Swing Athletic Motion Golf 177K subscribers Subscribe 5.4K Share 303K views 3 years ago Get your FREE distance injection here:. I have to focus more on being able to breathe at the top I feel the left lat stretching so hard lol But it should be said that I spend a lot of time each day stretching. I told Dan my first trip "I want to swing like Smock" lol. It isnt as easy as that, of course. Simply picture how the golf ball is in front of your body and the lead arm must also be in front of the body, not on the side. It was all "around." [*][size=4][b][color=#daa520]Callaway MD5 45,49,54,58/[/color] The golfer is forced to roll the arms around the body which in turn opens the clubface and sends the club off plane. If thats correct then having the handle point at belt buckle usually works out to be a good shaft/wrist angle. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAP7cA8kq9U"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAP7cA8kq9U[/url] As for the S&T, I learned a ton from that thread and have spent a lot of time reading it a couple of months ago. Hey man, your video is awesome!! [quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1385096954' post='8188390'] If your using your shoulders and body to turn and not just your arms the swing is the same. Given that you are placing the ball in the middle of your stance, wouldnt your stance be wider depending on what club you are using? [quote name='sblack5' timestamp='1385087109' post='8187438'] First, we need a great grip. Thanks for the great site and videos. That being said, I think he could get away with a wider stance than most. Does it appear that way cause they are taller? I'm not learned enough to explain the three-barrel part but was a lurking member years ago there, and it was certainly an information-packed place. The other common flaw developed out of a forward press is a tendency to take the clubhead to the inside on the takeaway. Thanks for the compliments and I hope you see continued improvement in your game. You may like to check the word fanny More speed ? and it sees you, it is trembling. Also make sure your clubs are fitted for you. Watching the Stadler video convinces me to go back to my natural, upright motion. We test length with impact sensitive tape to determine where you hit the face. I finally understand how to turn so the head stays centered and the shoulders are not too flat and I don't have to lift the arms. The driver is defintely tougher to time everything. Sign up here for our newsletter and you'll never slice a drive again. The mirror can really be informative. Herman. I also used to waggle my hips forward and back slightly before setting my weight to the back foot and beginning my take-away. You recommend a very pronounced straight back and chin up posture. Monte has a video on this and has talked about it plenty on this forum. Today, I wish I lived in NC! I'm flexible: can do the seated toe touch, and can turn my shoulders 90 degrees from my waist. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Literally your hips and legs will not be symmetrically centered on the ball. Grips - Crossline cord I found your site last night via a you tube video and I am glad I did. There are definitely adjustments and considerations that need to be made with this type of build. I used to do this all the time but some how you just forget some of these important set up features. A couple of more ho ho's I should be 280 plus. Distance? If you post a video more people will be able to help out. Michael Breed teaches you a drill for a better body turn in your golf swing. Always need good footwork and posture. Your link has been automatically embedded. Thanks again for your amazing videos! open feet, closed shoulders) You should see great results. I have longer arms so my tendency is, as mentioned above, arm run off and a steep downswing. It was an aha moment and instant. Once the grip is established, make sure the lead arm (left arm for right-handed golfers) is sitting on top of the chest. Watch approx 6 videos or so and have learned more than 4hrs of lessons from local pro. What's my problem? Regardless of stance width though the bottom of the swing arc will basically be the center of your stance, so for a ball played on the ground, center is easiest place to catch it solid and not try to time 13 different positions or stance widths. You should know why you do everything in your swing. At 285 and wearing a 54 long jacket, I struggle with a one plane move. Adam Scott might be a great one to emulate. Thanks! Like this? Due to this reason, shaft-length will often be standard or slightly shorter than standard (1-2cm less than std) since the chest is bowed over closer to the ground and lie angle just be standard. Lookup member hstead and his progress threadbiggest upper body of any golfer I've seen XXIO X Series 5 Wood! Follow NCG on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram and dont forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel for free online golf instruction, the latest equipment reviews, and much, much more. Next, well add to the setup by talking about preshot routine. From all my reading/practicing I think something is terribly wrong with my hands during my swing. Jim, you are technically correct, but since I know you, I will also with humor say, stop over-analyzing. , For a broader audience who wont study this in too much detail, the idea is to start the club centered to get the most symmetrical possible start with body and club alignments and best possible takeaway. If I keep the right arm, shoulder, elbow soft it all works. Centering the hands in my experience has improved most players abilities to align to target, square the face at address and make a reasonably sound takeaway. I like that thinking mans golf coach. Ive always felt like you deserve to know why you are doing something beyond the standard reason my pro told me too. Its a lot easier to stay committed when you completely understand where youre coming from and where youre trying to go. If you can consistently hook the ball with the hands turning over, then work on allowing the club to fall more behind you in downswing as the hips clear more aggressively. So if you dont trust those, stay centered. Lol. Experienced, low-handicap players usually have this figured out, so its not a big deal. The second thing: get fitted for clubs. By Should l try to widen my back swing or do you feel l should play with what l have got? Blending forearm and chest rotation on the backswing Never heard that term before. Hi Herman, He Played at 225(5'11"), though he would spend most of his LD career at 240-245. What would be the best way to know exactly how they should be (for instance If I point my club straight out from my belt buckle to I maintain that exact angle in my wrists?) Of course, if the clubs feel too long, you will probably be standing straight up with almost no bend at the hips and the toe of the club way up in the air the clubs likely should be shortened if thats the case. Being Gumby isn't all its cracked up to be. The bigger your chest is it shortens your arms at address and swing which in result you can utilize proper club length. Thanks a million. You cannot paste images directly. Thanks for the compliments fellas. Tips for chest/hip rotation : r/golf - Reddit Secondly, with arm laying on top of chest, the arm does not need to roll out around the chest as we go back in backswing. Oh wait thats not correct. In other words train your hands for impact first, and try to get to duck-hooking as soon as possible. Are 3 woods obsolete for double digit golfers??? [/quote] Keep your back straight as you stick your tail out and keep your chin up to avoid a hunch back appearance. Were no different take all the time necessary to create the setup and aim the shot; slowly, carefully march the setup over to the ball; waggle to count down and relax; then press the button triggering the motion the swing itself is over in less than a second and a half. Groove the rotation you will need to pull your left arm in the downswing. You can post now and register later. Or do you let wrists uncock as club falls to the ground? I don't care what guys say, the way they describe the pivot, with right side extension and left side tilting was brilliant for me. I certainly didn't intend it that way, so perhaps I should phrase my problem differently . I was glad to see him win. The whole coil and feel the stretch in the left lat thing don't really register on me. This will allow the clubhead to move thru the ball on a virtually level arc versus hitting down too much as it might on an iron shot. Callaway JAWS Raw 52* 56* and 60* He played at Central Arkansas, where he was a Backer. Hands should be about a fist-width to a fist-and-a-half away from legs. All of the older guys I play with have lost a lot more flexibility than strength. Everyone is advising me to stand up straighter but then I have to mover my arms to the sides of my pectoral muscles so that they can hang more freely in the more upright position..Do I stay more upright with my arms to the side of my chest or bend over farther with my arms on top of my chest? [media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaCMiAslT_k[/media] What's a "3 barrel hitter?" when i lift my tricep on top of my pec, i feel a lot of tension in my left arm, mainly the upper part of my arm and left shoulder, does this sound like a correct feeling ? Ill try on the course your recomendation to set the feet slightly wider the the hips. This causes the club to approach the ball on a significantly in-to-out path with a hold-on style of release. [*][size=4][b][color=#0000ff]Ping G410 LST, Mitsubishi Tensei Orange Pro [/color][/b][/size] In this video Mark Wood PGA Advanced Professional shows you a great. My avg driving distance is around 240-250 which is perfectly respectable. HighDraw, I am the other way around, played at 240 and now weigh 275 lol. Hi Herman, I tried your suggestion on putting the ball in front no matter what kind of iron I am grabbing. 1. Over time, not playing nearly as much as my kids grew up, I lost the muscle memory for my natural stance. Hip Turn In Golf Swing - Explained For You The LAWs of the Golf Swing: Body-Type Your Golf Swing and Master Your Plus you are more connected to the big muscles of trunk. Another huge discovery. Herman. Herman, Now my new problem. It would feel very uncomfortable and put you in a more or less cramped position. How To Open Up The Chest Through Impact And Rotate Milo Lines Golf 52K views 1 year ago Mike Malaska: DO NOT "ROTATE" your Lower Body in the golf swing! But for the purposes of this article, were going to gloss over grip, assuming you have the details of hand position already figured out. Display as a link instead, I think it is also harder to keep your arms in front of you. Thanks for watching. Ive noticed on the range that many people set up with the handle of the golf club positioned near their left thigh, or pointed toward the target, creating the appearance of the club leaning forward at address. Paige Spiranac has the same problem. : Set the feet just barely wider than the hips, toes turned out about 5 degrees on each foot, and start to bow from the hip sockets as you also let the wrists drop. A neutral grip makes it all too easy to let arm sit on the side of the chest. I am now 58 my handicap is 14.6 but lately I have lost a lot of distance and should probably be 18, I was never a massive hitter, probably 230 with the driver from a solid shot but now I am lucky to hit 180, 7 iron 110 all perfectly straight. The whole coil and feel the stretch in the left lat thing don't really register on me. I tend to setup comfortably in an open stance with all clubs. I hit about 500 balls a week but feel I bring a different swing every outing. is Pure Gold. Stay Connected For Power - Golf Tips Magazine Hey David, glad to hear youve been Hermanized. Herman. I feel you are great instructor so I want to stay with your teaching entirely now. I have lost significant distance, consistency and golf balls trying to get flatter and deeper. I still have a lot of work to go but I feel more interested in golf now than ever. Mike Adams in particular has stated that at address the left arm could set on top of the pec, not to the side, for folks with this issue. Ironically, if I need to hit a high shot (say over a tree), I seem to make some of my best swings (I imagine it has to do with my setup and the need to get the ball up rather quickly). Heres how to setup correctly for a right-handed golfer. It actually should not be soled completely flat. Matt Smith [/quote] Hopefully when I post an update after my trip to Jacksonville in Feb I will be down about 30 lbs. Make sure: (1) Your left leg gently bumps the wall as you start down, and (2) the back of your left hand faces the wall as it comes down in front of. I couldn't resist checking this thread out with the title. No, you just pick the ball up and throw it in one natural movement and without a thought. Swing component: WAITfor the feel of centrifugal force coming in as your body stops his rotation and your left arm and club are swung into orbit. Doesnt left arm define swing circle? Mizuno S18 5310+5812/PX 6.0 Move to CT please!!! Get that left arm up high and across the chest and actually try to maintain a slightly closed appearance with the upper chest and shoulders relative to the feet. You mean a golfer exists with a bigger chest than me? So ready to give up! You can find connection information from Jimmy Ballards work. [*][color=#b22222][b][size=4]TP Mills Trad II Hand Forged [/size][/b][/color] It's simple and very informative. Learn how your comment data is processed. Im a width guy (strong guy with a developed chest and strong lats and deltoid although i dont go to the gym. Pete, you are right on track. There are definitely advantages and disadvantages. See What Members Are Saying! They are also very dependent on impact, and just after impact body positioning, because they can't maintain the angles for long. Herman. I cant seem to correct it. I was wondering if you set-up any differently with fairway woods and hybrids? Can you give me some advice? Since I have a very thick chest with this setup for me everything is easier. Shift your weight onto your front foot and begin to rotate your hips toward the target. [/quote] I am working on it though. Rich, most golfers report that same perception. There is NO SPECIFIC PATTERN for broad chested golfers. Are you referring to being heavy thick chested or having a barrel chest? [quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1386383819' post='8261327'] Putter: Odyssey 2 ball XG 40" Armlock w/ winn grip and triple track alignment, Ball: looking for chrome soft replacement. Good luck. As for setup changes, I find that I play better with my feet pointed more right of my target but my shoulders parallel left. Hope this helps you can always sign-up for an online lesson if you have a way to send me some video. But here are a few things to check. Epic Fail. Only you can judge if its worth that. Herman. Being Gumby isn't all its cracked up to be. Your observations as a weight lifter are spot on. Much appreciated. When shots get ugly, I stand way far from the ballfeel like Moe Norman and probably look as silly. Michael The whole coil and feel the stretch in the left lat thing don't really register on me. I played football at 238lbs, full back, and used to lift a lot. good luck and stay in touch. [/quote] Good job Kevin and thanks for stopping by to comment. 2. [quote name='LaterOn61' timestamp='1385085653' post='8187280'] In order to look more conventional youre probably going to endure some pain along the way to reverse those habits. There are many guys on this board who would love to get a shorter backswing. Duly noted Ill try to get some specifics soon on driving. Keep up the great work. [*][size=4][color=#008000][b]Ping G410 3 hybrid, Mitsubishi Tensei Blue Pro[/b][/color][/size] I have lost significant distance, consistency and golf balls trying to get flatter and deeper. You can certainly overdo it and end up with a spine line that is too straight and unnatural. 3 Wood: Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 15* w/ Hzrdus Yellow 6.5 76g Michael, Im not sure changing anything here would make you hit it further. making sure I'm turning my shoulders 90* to my spine. Ive been battling this for years trying to figure out what is the correct position from how I have my wrists either pointing down or or cocked too much please help:). At the top of my back swing l can feel my right elbow on my side. Thanks! I will report back. Variety being the "spice of life" and all that, we are not created equal in all aspects. If you are going to try to get more width, you will likely have to turn your torso and shoulders farther back to get that right arm off your body. The volunteers (not enough of them) didn't give a . I meant closed stance in my post. Brian Smock has a great swing and has a thick chest. Golf Swing For Barrel Chested - MB Golf Pros [*][size=4][color=#008000][b]Ping G410 3 wood, Mitsubishi Diamana BF[/b][/color][/size] It's just that there are folks who advocate that the arms don't raise at all, that your hands go up by virtue of turning your shoulders on an incline, but this thought can be damaging to folks like you and me. This tried and tested method of coaching has helped many golfers achieve their personal goals and beyond This classic tip is designed to create the sensation of a proper golf. Sometimes I feel like they are cocked and that I hit better. I checked, and indeed running a club from my chest though my belt buckle has the head touching my left leg as you demonstrated. The shoulders ideally turn at 90-degrees to the top of the swing. Upload or insert images from URL. The real question is what are you looking for? [/quote] I can carry it about 210, even my 5 iron which i rarely used on the coruse because of lack of distance i now know i can hit very well.I think the 70s are in my future, just need to hit better iron shots on the course, at the range i kill thembut something changes on course as we all know.
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