M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. Here are few facts you should know about bats and a few myths to forget. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. Not a good idea I guess.. Lion tales: Some believe cougars occasionally roam the N.H. forests This isnt to say she believes none of these animals has stepped foot on New England soil over the past century. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. In the second camp, there are those issuing the denials, pointing to the lack of photographic evidence, or the absence of tracks, or the simple truth that many people dont seem to know the difference between a cougar and a bobcat and a lynx and even, in some cases, a golden retriever. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Have a photo. And even the home entries are kind of changing. I didn't realize mullein was an invasive even though I have it popping up in strange placesin my yard every year. Wild populations of mountain lion survive in southern Florida and in mountains of the West. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. It was his great coolness and daring (either that, or fear) that enabled Crowell to shoot the animal at a distance of one rod only (roughly 16 feet), first hitting it in the leg with his shotgun, then dispatching it with a bullet to the head from a borrowed rifle. The Great Divide | Are There Mountain Lions in New England? That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. In certain situations, the similarities in the silhouette are remarkable. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. Top-requested sites to log in to services provided by the state. The Connecticut mountain lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. Its OK, he told me. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. For mountain lions in Connecticut, a lack of evidence is very good evidence. Patrick Tate: Yes. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. Im not an expert on human psychology, but if youre looking for something, you have a greater chance of actually seeing it. The big cat on the ground before him, motionless, yet somehow still embodying that particular feline litheness, as if, with the flick of its tail, it might bound to its feet and disappear into the woods. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. All these photos were taken in a state other than Massachusetts. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. California mountain lion slaughters 27 lambs but did not eat a single one However, it is more likely to be one of the pumas that roam the country. Yes. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. Mass.gov is a registered service mark of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. On another large animal that is most definitely here: bears. There were caribou antlers mounted above the front doors, and the interior walls were covered in row upon row of books; a long table was piled high with still more books in seemingly random arrangements. All other reports of mountain lions in Massachusetts have turned out to be other animals. It can run at speeds of up to 50 mph. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. But one day. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. It may not surprise you to learn that I was quite intrigued by this third group. Caller: Oh hi. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Rye NH Mountain Lion sighting - By Iiro Lehtinen September 19, 2016 at 02:24:00 PM. We have seen them run through our yard. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. This is why tangible evidence is so important. Here are some things to keep in mind if you come Multiple mountain lion sightings have been reported in . . So one thing I'll add. Now the bears, they dont even care if people are home, theyll go right in the house. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. This week, NatureWatch columnist Thom Smith answers questions about chipping sparrows, the connections between shadbush blooms and shad fish, and gives advice on how to attract butterflies to your yard. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. Thanks for a great thanks. Sam Evans-Brown: I just want to say the bang and word you just heard I think to me exemplifies why it's really hard to come up with with positive you know 100 percent certain evidence that you've that what you've got is a mountain lions. There were caribou antlers mounted above the front doors, and the interior walls were covered in row upon row of books; a long table was piled high with still more books in seemingly random arrangements. It seems like nothing will kill them! Re(1): Webster update - Misunderstanding! So what those ranges. So Michael follows with the question. I found a second scat scent both to him. MassWildlife has only confirmed 2 mountain lion reports in the last 30 years. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. Morse is a Vermont-based naturalist and the founder of Keeping Track, a nonprofit that trains people in the scientific protocols needed to detect, interpret, record, and monitor wildlife tracks and signs. 172. But no proof was offered. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. Yes and you want to share what you learned. 3. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. In 2011, a dead western mountain lion was found in Connecticut after it got hit by a car. Someone photographed the animal at the Brunswick School on Greenwich, Connecticut about 40 miles away on June 5th. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. It's listed as population of least concern. Love hearing these stories. Thanks for calling. Okay. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. We think theyre coming in from Canada, Betty told me. If these people say they saw something, Im going to listen., If theres one thing people on all sides of the debate can agree on, its that a breeding population of cougars is essential to the overall health of New Englands ecosystems, which currently lack an apex predator. He said matter of fact I do. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. I must have looked doubtfulwe were within spitting distance of a heavily traffickedroad and only 12 miles from downtown Hartfordbut both Ottmann and Betty told me that cougars actually prefer more populated areas, since thats where deer tend to congregate. I wonder if it grows around here at all? McCarter sent a sample to Dr. George Amato of the Wildlife Conservation Society in New York and Dr. Melanie Culver of the University of Maryland. So so. Hawley:Were sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. She favors plaid shirts, green Dickies work pants, and hiking boots, and she chided me for shaking her hand too gently. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. Is this kind of a typical story. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. They just end up in these places. These tracks were fresh and well photographed. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. And were one of the most densely populated states as far as humans. Case 2 hen I accepted the assignment to write about my quest to uncover the truth regarding the existence of cougars in New England, I had little idea what I was agreeing to. Someone photographed the animal at the Brunswick School on Greenwich, Connecticut about 40 miles away on June 5th. But other hard evidence of the big cats presence is elusive. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Japanese knotweed and phragmites are the bane of my existence on our road. By mid-19th century, forests made up only about 30 percent of New England (its notable that today that number stands at approximately 80 percent, nearer to what it was when cougars thrived here). Indeed, one of her steadiest sources of funding for Keeping Track is a presentation on cougars that has been known to draw more than 500 audience members. The cat is dead. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. Further, it is already illegal to kill a mountain lion in Massachusetts. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. October 24, 2010. in News World. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. A harvest is kind of twofold. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. Not yet. Now and then MassWildlife gets a report with a photo of a mountain lion. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. Human/Wildlife Interactions in California: Mountain Lion Depredation, Public Safety, and Animal Welfare Overview and Background More than half of California is mountain lion habitat. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. The tails gotta be there. Peter Biello: Oh okay. Fish and Wildlife Service unofficially declared the Eastern cougar extinct. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. Ottmann grew up and still lives just minutes from the tavern; his familiarity with the establishment was obvious (after we met in the parking lot, he led me into the building through the kitchen, greeting each of the staff by name). He drove me out to the spot. So there's even debate about that very subject. Mountain lions weigh . Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board The Connecticut mountain lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. Because while male cougars eventually strike out on their own and occasionally wander far from home, females are, as Morse puts it, hardwired to remain close to their mothers home range. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. And he said, This is where the mountain lion crossed. We walked in and there were fresh bobcat tracks in there. Re(3): Webster update - Misunderstanding. Do they travel. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. The tail, I said. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. If youre still curious, read on to brush up on your mountain lion knowledge. Let us know your story and share your photos. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. How far were you from this cat. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. Besides, Ottmann had revealed that hed been charged by a bear in this same piece of woods, and I felt conflicted about diverting my gaze from the underbrush. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. I tracked cats and all the western states. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. They set the stage for the exotics to move in, and this has a huge impact on our ecology, he said. And Im assuming whatever were doing right now, its not working. He can be reached by phone at 860-275-7297 or by email: pskahill@ctpublic.org. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. New Hampshire Public Radio | In the first, there are those such as myself, whove maybe heard a few second- or third- or fourth-hand stories as well as official denials from state agencies or professional biologists, and therefore find themselves betwixt and between, neither believing nor disbelieving. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Thank you. Are there mountain lions in Massachusetts. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. Evidence considered could include "the body of a dead mountain lion or a live wild-captured animal; photos or video, in which a mountain lion can be identified and MassWildlife can confirm the location; DNA evidence from hair, scat, etc. I do this shit.. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Colin McEnroe is a radio host, newspaper columnist, magazine writer, author, playwright, lecturer, moderator, college instructor and occasional singer. An adult male bobcat can reach four feet in length and 35 to 40 pounds. Thank you in advance., Thomas P. wrote, I never thought coltsfoot was invasive. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. Can we go to the site. We even had a sighting someone here at DEEP, in my office, was convinced they saw a mountain lion. Abbott acknowledged that mountain lions out west have huge ranges. It's bigger but bigger and better world. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. Many people do not realize how large a grown Bobcat is. Mountain Lions in Massachusetts Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. Like why would you want one wildlife. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. For instance, a favorite food for deer is the seedlings of forest tree species. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Within six weeks, he continued, I was getting off the plane in Jackson Hole for a national mountain lion conference. ML Sighting - By Joe September 19, 2016 at 00:31:14 AM. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. Mountain lions also have tails that can grow up to 3 feet. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. At least once a year thered be a story from somewhere, but I only ran the absolute best, he told me. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. That's too big for Bobcat. "Of those three to five reports, one. The animal was shot in the town of Barnard on Thanksgiving Day 1881 by a man named Alexander Crowell. They're just moving around freely. But that was OK. Bo Ottmannknew they were out there.
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