According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. On the night of the murders, he'd been there and left. He could not have been there prior to the dinner engagement at the El Coyote, otherwise he would joined Sharon, Jay, Wojtek and Abigail.The time of departure to the restaurant is tied to the delivery of Abigails bicycle by Dennis Hurst. Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent back. So having a CIA undercover agent learn more about the habits of drug dealers in order to pin the blame on them would be in keeping with the cover-up strategy of setting up the innocent (albeit unsavory) in order to allow the real murderers to go free. He's mentioned in the trial, and was known to have worked with Paul Tate post murders. Sorry but I just dont believe he was in that house before Winifred and the cops got there, it would have been front page news at the time, and if you're saying Whitson knew the murders were taking place and did nothing to stop them then he'd have been suspect #1, Couple more things after reading your post, why of all people would Whitson call Hatami about the murders first? He (O'Neill) said nothing to that effect. She was probably 3 sheets to the wind at the time. Either way it's impressive. Since Reeve was a CIA agent posing as a hippie, he would have been among the hippies in the van. I wonder if some of you are so dismissive because your default position is to be skeptical, so you're not actually letting the information in. He had none. Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? Winifred Chapman claims the flag was there so either you take the word of a murderess or the flag was on the couch when Chapman left on Friday afternoon and then put back by whoever went back to the scene, perdonallp I believe it was there and Krenwinkels goofy ass didn't notice it or just plain lied, like Harold True said "Krenwinkel carries her brains in a lunchbox" lol. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's CamaroI'm generally pretty unforgiving of errors in books and it's even more annoying when I happen to know the info that is wrong. He was not very intelligent an IQ around 85 he was a savant to murder instinctively knew how to kill and get rid of bodies. William Weston said"Why did he not warn his friends Roman, Sharon and Jay? Ajerseydevil said why Manson's parole was never revoked after all of his arrests for some fairly serious crimesWhy would someone's parole or probation be revoked for getting arrested ? I traced Whitson online. Did he betray his friends? He befriended me and he was definitely a man with a violent past, and I suspect a rather dangerous past. I'm pretty sure the last time Doris was in the house was for the watching of the moon landing but I do remember her saying it was there though I highly doubt it was upside down like the pics from Aug 9 show, I can't imagine that would be too cool with Col Paul lol, Just as a general statement regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took HUNDREDS of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etc. What is the general opinion of Robert Linkletter as a suspect? California Deaths, 1940 - 1997. The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. By studying the case and matching up dates and testimony, it can be seen that the sands of time eventually ran out for Charles Manson which puts the kibosh on those theories that he was being protected by those "higher up" although I'm sure the theorists will say that it was because of them that Charlie's protection ran out.. Parole violations do not have to be convictions, not even crimes.Violating the conditions of your parole can be a myriad of otherwise non criminal actions; if they are spelled out in your parole.IeAssociating with known felons, drug dealers/users, drinking, drug use, possessing firearms, traveling outside a specified geographic limit etc etc etcI think it's fair to say that a career criminal with high recidivism like Manson would have had stringent parole conditions. Frankly, if I was afraid of any comeback, I wouldn't even be getting involved in an on~line discussion that anyone in the world with an internet connection could chance upon. My opinion was Charles Manson was not very good at all.So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.Vera: Where'd ya learn that, Grim? Really? What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? : r - Reddit I actually have been checking in most days since May. He told and then showed where a lot of missing women were. I don't advocate people calling you names as has happened on this and another site and in fact, as you know, I defend you on that. He was very, very helpful. Did you come down on your own?A: No, I have been called by his office to come downQ:Who was present when you were shown the photographs?A:Mr. Reeves WitsonQ:And Mr. Bugliosi?A:And Mr. BugliosiQ:And yourselfA:And myselfQ:And no one else?A:No one elsebeauders saidwhere have you been?Oh, just lurking for a while. Grim said"Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Reeve Whitson Anybody on parole would be arrested immediately and sent back to prison. 0 It might have been more accurate to say that Hatami said the name once and Bugliosi said it three times, but I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedantic. Chapters are as followed: Prologue The Crime of the Century An Aura of Danger The Golden Penetrators The Holes in Helter Skelter Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office Who Was Reeve Whitson? It had been there ever since Voityck and Gibby (Abigail Folger) moved in. Knowing that his son was going to 10050 Cielo Drive the night before and because of reports that one of the bodies was unidentified (Steve Parent), his worried father called the police. Robert Linkletter and Reeve Whitson - ProBoards The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Reeve Whitson He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo house. I've thought to myself many times:what if one of those girls would have come over and talked with me, would I have "followed-her-around? That's not in any doubt. But SMOOOCH to you!!!! The morning after the murders, his father realized his son had not been home. More to come in O'Neill's updated version of CHAOS next year. We don't the degree of his involvement or guilt. What ONeill said was that Whitsons name appeared four times, all during Hatamis testimony. When you have what Hatami testified and what Bugliosi testified regarding Hatamis testimony and gather these statements together under the aggregate phrase Hatamis testimony, then you can see that ONeill was not careless in how he represented his source. I've been reading a lot of British footballers autobiographies over the last 18 months and it never ceases to amaze me how people aren't even aware of the dates of certain events in their own lives or the results of matches they are commenting on. 1. . William Weston saidHatamis testimony on Whitson. Seems like his job was to insinuate himself into every possible source of information. [3] During World War II he enlisted in the . But here's the thing. We know that Moorehouse was convicted in 1991 of "lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14." He probably didn't mention his Mum or his son but it doesn't mean they weren't in his mind. He was never convicted of anything that was deemed to be serious enough to have him put back in the years '67~'69. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders' "The Family" that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to UkiahThis might be high tension wire drama.were it not for the fact that this has been public record since 1971. I really loved Peter Levenda's "Sinister Forces" three volume set. He lived in 1940, at address, Indiana. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi? He was friends with Jay Sebring and Polanski was a buddy of his, and the Beach Boys--and he met Manson through all this. Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. I've never heard of this Reeve guy in my life"His name first popped up in the book 'Sharon Tate - A Life' by Ed Sanders, which came out in 2016:"..Hatami testified at the trial that Manson wanted to know where 'somebody' lived - referring to Terry Melcher. Review: CHAOS - Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Took me 20 years but I wrote a book about what y'all know as - Reddit Versions of how the flag got there:Coroner, Thomas T. Noguchi and Joseph DiMonapg132the large American flag draped over the couch. This is the third time. As anybody who has been within shouting distance of me over the past 2 years know, I consider Tom O'Neill's CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, the Secret Histor. I agree Beauders. The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. 77 0 obj <> endobj "Not every detail in "Helter Skelter" is correct. That is a great question, Katie. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. Bugliosi wrote that it was after Melcher moved out, meaning in January 1969.I found Moorehouse in the phone book and gave him a call. "Sorry Starviego, this all sounds like nonsense to me. "Put yourself in my position. He was living with his parents in Los Angeles. Extended interview: 50 years after the Manson - The Georgia Straight I also was conscious of not rehashing and repeating myself, especially when many of the issues that were brought up, I'd commented on endlessly over the past 4 years. But you frequently mention that he never said anything about a race war, but that he mentioned 'revolution.' Yeah, look I can see Whitson as a very bit player in the whole saga but as some Matt Damon Bourne Supremacy operative, not while the grass is green and the sky is blue. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst delivered the bicycle between 6:30 and 7:00. I would love it if Stephen Kay wrote a memoir, not just for the Manson stuff but because he nailed that scumbag Lawrence Bittaker. My conclusion, given the research I've done so far, is MY FRIEND"S FATHER KNEW WHITSON (if Whitson existed) and used Whitson's information to disguise himself or Whitson used my friend's father's info to add to his own. That said, in some cases it's understandable.In the case of Bugliosi's book, the errors regarding the Hearst bike delivery times and the Parent/Sharon car registrations aren't ones that I regard as serious. Kay told him that Manson and Watson had been to the Cielo house when Terry Melcher and Candace Bergen were there. ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book?I actually learned it initially from Cielodrive.com. He was a close friend of Sharon and Jay, and thus the presence of the other hippies at the front door would not have aroused suspicion. He told me he was there after the murders, but before the police got there. However, I am not disputing O'Neill's sources. "I did not mean the 'scene' of the crime, rather the general milieu around crime scene before and after. "pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. The Zodiac Killer and the CIA - Zodiac Killer Identified He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders The Family that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to Ukiah.So Buglisois timeline was wrong and Melcher lied to me. She'd nod and say she knew, but that Gibby and Voityck thought it was very funny. It worked. My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. Whitson was a former CIA agent who had worked extensively in Latin America including Ecuador. I had high hopes when I read that O'Neil had spent twenty years researching the Manson murders, but the book reads like a confession of failure. IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOURE A POSER. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. Thus some tainted drug had to be given to them. %PDF-1.7 % He was probably there for the bike delivery, the hippie van delivery and at El Coyote dining. Well, the obvious question to me would be "why would he be talking about a race war to a complete stranger in January of 1969 ?" I have a really good memory because I have OCD, the only good gift from my diagnosis. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? What kind of honest, upstanding man does that with his daughter?If you want to point fingers at child molesters, go ahead, but I think a special finger should be pointed at a father who farms his own daughter out to child molesters!! One correction grimtraveller.When took Charles Mansonbt that "construction site," and later went to The Fireside Inn to hear him play & sing, I had just turned 18 years old, not 19 years old.Oh brother, these senior moments are becoming more & more frequent.GESHLOL Mario George Nitrini 111------The OJ Simpson Case. And did he not usually have permission for the few occasions he travelled out of state ? Hatami directed him to the caretaker's guest house on the other side of the pool, where Rudy Altobelli lived. The son of an actress and a circus acrobat, Whitson enters our story when Tom O'Neill has Whitson phone Hatami early that Saturday morning we all know so well before anyone else discovered the bodies up on Cielo. Not now, however. I find that hard to believe.In Krenwinkel's first parole hearing, she pretty much said she didn't remember anything about that night except chasing down Gibby. He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigation. L`L,3`v]fUn,^/ {N n^{a "2d`5`,/ f30ul#9@ o+ Mon Durphy said"Winifred testified that the flag was on the couch THE DAYS LEADING UP TO THE MURDERS AND THE DAY OF"Where did she say that? A.F.S., Colonia Dignidad, von Braun, Kissinger, Ruby, and Giancana are some of the major players. The FBI files tell a clear . In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. Yeah everything's okay, just some stuff I've gotta get thru. Good to see you!! He was driving a VW van. I've got several comments to make but right now I'm dealing with some personal crap. Reeve Whitson slept on a cot in his parents' kitchen, drove a Pinto, and left unpaid hospital bills when he died. The licensing process for model cars began in 1966 with a Scotsman by the name of Reeve Whitson, the first to establish a company that served as an agent to the racing car manufacturers to license their copyrighted designs to model car makers. It's almost inevitable, however, even if only in a small way but I get wary eventually, if I find myself saying the same thing again and again.Incidentally, big thanks to you for mentioning the "Inside the Manson jury" book by Herman Tubick. Manson's partner left a pair of eyeglasses by the steamer trunks. The Affair ran on Showtime for 5 seasons, only recently ending in November 2019.The show follows the marriages of Cole (Joshua Jackson) and Alison Lockhart (Wilson), and Noah (Dominic West) and Helen Solloway (Maura Tierney). "I was only 19 at the time. Extensive research and a slew of FOIA requests did not produce a smoking gun or much beyond the shadowy, ill-explained presence around these events of Reeve Whitson, an alleged "intelligence operative." O'Neill also examines the CIA program MKULTRA, which may have gotten him closer to his goalbut not much. Whitson had the Tate house under surveillance, which is how he knew something was going to happen. Reeve Whitson, Jolly West, Sidney Gottlieb. [Irvin is talking about Reeve Whitson - Ed.] And even then I might not look at it for 5 years. Her Aunt says my friend knew several foreign languages and had a photographic memory back then. What's very interesting to me is why was Charlie, a career criminal ON PAROLE, repeatedly released when arrested with drugs, prostituting young girls, possession of stolen property, speeding and leaving the state. About the same time, the dogkeeper William Garretson, arrived back at the guest house, transported by hippies in a van who gave him a ride from Sunset Boulevard. Ill bet Sanders is correct. Shortly after his arrival, the town became the epicenter of a shocking event that almost wrecked the Democratic Party's effort to win back the White House. And has anybody seen Bugliosi's OJ Special ("OJ Simpson: 100% Guilty")? grimtraveller,It's not a problem for me for you to be Skeptical of me.If you're not interested what I tweet on Twitter about The Charles Manson Family & Saga, again, no problem for me.Thanks for your replies back to me.Mario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. I can honestly say, I'm very glad I never found out.And as Manson being a musician & singer? I applaud Tom O'Neil for his extreme efforts to find the truth. bill on Twitter: "Let's talk about Reeve Whitson." / Twitter
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